New "Fire Bet" at Mohegan Sun

[QuiGon]

Just got back from 2 nights at Mohegan Sun - and man I kicked ass..!! My
last five trips were losing trips but this one was a big winner..!! Anyway,
I though you guys might be interested in a brand new bet they have there...
Maybe you've heard about this (or something like it) or maybe you haven't.

The had an all new craps layout with a new bet called a "fire bet". It is
basically a small circle behind the pass line - in fact when I first saw it
I thought maybe it was just a circle where you should put your odds bets.
This "Fire Bet" you can only wager $1 through $5 and you can only make this
bet before the first come out roll of a brand new shooter. If the shooter
hits 4 individual points, you win 25-1. If they hit 5 individual points,
you win (I think) 100-1 (or something like that). If they hit 6 individual
points, you win 1,000-1.

NOTE: There was a lot of confusion about what "individual points" means...
it means it has to be a completely different number. So if I come out with
an 8 and hit the 8, that's one point. Then suppose I come out with the 8
again and hit the 8 second time, that is still only one "individual point".

Basically when a shooter hits a point, the dealer puts a "fire bet" disc on
that number right in front of him. If the shooter hits that number again,
the disc is already there so nothing changes. In order to win the 1000-1
payoff, a shooter has to hit points of 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10.

[Cat_in_awe]

Post by QuiGon
Just got back from 2 nights at Mohegan Sun - and man I kicked ass..!!
My last five trips were losing trips but this one was a big
winner..!! Anyway, I though you guys might be interested in a brand
new bet they have there... Maybe you've heard about this (or
something like it) or maybe you haven't.
The had an all new craps layout with a new bet called a "fire bet".
It is basically a small circle behind the pass line - in fact when I
first saw it I thought maybe it was just a circle where you should
put your odds bets. This "Fire Bet" you can only wager $1 through $5
and you can only make this bet before the first come out roll of a
brand new shooter. If the shooter hits 4 individual points, you win
25-1. If they hit 5 individual points, you win (I think) 100-1 (or
something like that). If they hit 6 individual points, you win
1,000-1.

This is a REAL clunker of a bet with a huge HA. The worst bet on the table
by a huge margin.

From www.wizardofodds.com :

Some casinos offer a "Fire Bet" that pays if the shooter makes at least 4
different points. The following table shows two different pay tables I have
heard of. Pay Table A was convered from a "for one" to a "to one" basis.


Points Made
Probability Pay Table A Pay Table B
0 0.593939 -1 -1
1 0.26075 -1 -1
2 0.101275 -1 -1
3 0.0334342 -1 -1
4 0.00879818 24 10
5 0.00163993 249 200
6 0.000162435 999 2000
House Edge 0.207627 0.24856


Your game was Pay Table A (I'm guessing 5 points was really 250:1) which has
a 20.7% house advantage. OUCH!

[alan]

Can you make the fire bet without making any other bets? If so, its a
cheap way to play craps and get free drinks.

[QuiGon]

Post by alan
Can you make the fire bet without making any other bets? If so, its a
cheap way to play craps and get free drinks.

I highly doubt they they would allow such a thing. I mean, they might let
it go if you played only a fire bet for the come out roll then put 44-inside
or something like that... But don't expect to sit there for hours playing
$1 at a time...

[QuiGon]

Post by Cat_in_awe
Your game was Pay Table A (I'm guessing 5 points was really 250:1) which has
a 20.7% house advantage. OUCH!

Yes I certainly could have been misremembering the odds of hitting 5
individual points. I never saw that note in Wizard of Odds so when I got to
the craps table I was in a position I haven't been in for many years: I had
to ask the dealer for help in explaining a bet to me :-)

You would think with such a huge house advantage they would allow larger
wagers on it. Granted, most people that were playing it were only playing
$1, but I thought a $5 maximum was a bit low... I guess that is since the
table had a $5,000 maximum payout...

[Mr. V]

I would think you could, if the table isn't crowded; with such a high
HA, the house should be happy to grind out some money.

Compare: would you be allowed to make only a single dollar hard way
bet?

Of course.

roll dem bones

[Cymbal Man Freq.]

If you believe in your precision shooting, it might be worth $3.

[Des]

This is a repeat of my post from Harrahs, Las Vegas which also has "fire
bets" dated December 11, 2004. I know the "fire bet" is considered a bad bet
by the experts but it can make good money some evenings.

original post below
I just returned from Harrahs in Las Vegas and they have a new game played at
the same time as one shoots CRAPS. It is called the FIRE BET. It is a
separate bet separate from all the other possible propositions.

For one to five dollars wagered on the first roll of a new shooter you can
win betting on the number of different points a shooter rolls. Rolling the
same number again does not count. The aim is to hit all six different point
successfully. The minimum numbers needed to roll for the bonus is four.

When the shooter rolls 4 different points you get $25.00 per one dollar bet.
If you bet five dollars you would receive $125.00

If the shooter rolls five different points you would receive $250.00 for a
one dollar bet or $1250.00 for a bet of five dollars.

If you are able to shoot all six points successsfully a dollar bet pays $
1000.00 and a five dollar bet pays $5000.00.

On Thursday Dec. 9th I rolled four numbers and the next shooter rolled five
numbers twice while I was playing. Many numbere were repeated and on this
evening I tripled my $500.00 on the other shooter's first roll and doubled
my five hundred dollar stake when I rolled. In the hour that these rolls
took I risked $1000.00 and won an additional $1500.00. Another bettor won
$5200.00 when the first five numbers were rolled. In addition he received
$1250.00 for his five dollar FIRE BET.
Every position can bet on any shooter as long as they place the ante before
the first roll.

Only the highest payoff level is paid out.

Unfortunately, I was watching and NOT betting on the second five number
roll.

I believe Harrahs has found a way to keep the "boxman busy" and sitting in
on the game.

Does anyone know of any othe casinos that have similar programs.

Des

Post by QuiGon
Just got back from 2 nights at Mohegan Sun - and man I kicked ass..!! My
last five trips were losing trips but this one was a big winner..!!
Anyway, I though you guys might be interested in a brand new bet they have
there... Maybe you've heard about this (or something like it) or maybe you
haven't.
The had an all new craps layout with a new bet called a "fire bet". It is
basically a small circle behind the pass line - in fact when I first saw
it I thought maybe it was just a circle where you should put your odds
bets. This "Fire Bet" you can only wager $1 through $5 and you can only
make this bet before the first come out roll of a brand new shooter. If
the shooter hits 4 individual points, you win 25-1. If they hit 5
individual points, you win (I think) 100-1 (or something like that). If
they hit 6 individual points, you win 1,000-1.
NOTE: There was a lot of confusion about what "individual points"
means... it means it has to be a completely different number. So if I
come out with an 8 and hit the 8, that's one point. Then suppose I come
out with the 8 again and hit the 8 second time, that is still only one
"individual point".
Basically when a shooter hits a point, the dealer puts a "fire bet" disc
on that number right in front of him. If the shooter hits that number
again, the disc is already there so nothing changes. In order to win the
1000-1 payoff, a shooter has to hit points of 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10.

[John Kerr]

The fire bet is a bit like buying a lotto ticket...why not!

We spend alot of time talking about low vig bets and smart play on
here...nothing wrong with that, but there's nothing wrong with buyin' a
lotto ticket now and then either!

I watch "kids" come into the casino with $50, just wanting to have an
hour or so of fun...they laugh, and joke, put $5 in the field and a $1
on the hard eight, or boxcars, and cheer the shooter on! I have seen em
almost giddy over a $30 win, or laughing and joking over a $30 loss.

I compare that with the surly don't player laying the 4 and 10 for a
$100 each, and cussing the shooter when they knock em off...or the pass
line player that takes full odds, and a $160 inside, then slams the rail
and yells when the seven shows...walks away talkin' to themselves. (both
of em look at the "kids" with disdain...dumb kids and their high vig
bets...they ain't gotta clue!). What the kids intuitively know is...I
got a few bucks to spend, it's gambling...it's a house game...have a bit
of fun and move on!

I kinda like the "kid's" action.....I sometimes wonder why I changed
from the "kid" to a "smart" player <grin>.

Just have a little fun...and do it you way!